Hello Lenoir County from education reporter Chris Lavender or as some people now call me Lil’ Lavender
Welcome back for another discussion on Lenoir County Schools redistricting study. The school board is expected to vote if the study should continue on how to redraw students’ attendance lines. I’ts about 6:40 p.m. now. The meeting will begin at about 7 p.m. Several members from the public are expected to speak their minds tonight on how they feel about the issue. Check back soon when the meeting is underway.
Redistricting committee chairman Mike Moseley had requested that Superintendent Terry Cline bring the issue back before the school board for their consideration. This will be the first time that school board members have formally discussed the study since the process began last October.
During a January meeting, the school board declined to take public comments from several people because the redistricting committee had not yet presented a recommendation to the board. Nearly 50 people have streamed into the central office so far.
7 p.m. - Redistricting committee chairman Mike Moseley just arrived and he has joined me on the back row. The meeting is about to start. The board members will first discuss its financial report, school construction project updates and general policy updates before taking on the redistricting study issue. As soon as they begin to discuss the study I will begin to let you know what’s going on.
7:03 p.m. - school board is about to take public comments on the redistricting study. Each person will have about three minutes to address the school board
7:09 p.m. -Frank White is speaking to the school board now. No compelliing reason to continue study at this time, he said. White has two children that attend North Lenoir High School. Lenoir County Schools seen decrease in population. School board should begin dialogue when population begins to grow. The timeline for redistricting is too agressive, he said.
7:13 p.m.- Tony Turner is now speaking. He is a member of the redistricting committee. Turner said there is no valid reason to continue the study. There are no schools over capacity, he said. Lenoir County not seen population increase like other counties including Wake, Pitt and New Hanover Counties. County wide redistricting will not be beneficial to the financial bottom line.
7:15 p.m. - Ruth Hollowell is now speaking. She thanked the board for moving the public comment to the beginning of the meeting. She made no comments on the study.
7:16 p.m. Rudy Mintz is now speaking. Lived in Kinston since 1973. Both children went to Kinston High. Said seems like good time for redistricting but don’t need to change all the lines. Shouldn’t be afraid of change, he said. Want to be seen as socially progressive and is now thanking Cline for his efforts. “He is a patient and kind man,” Mintz said. “He is going to do the right thing for the children.”
7:20 p.m. - Suzanne Nix is now speaking. She is also a member of the redistricting committee. “Redistricting is a must for Lenoir County,” she said. “Current board must support the continuation of the study.”
7:21 p.m. - David Hodges is now speaking. I am not from Lenoir County the main reason moved where we lived based on schools child will be attending in area. The schools are not equal. Dont have permission to bus child from low to high performing school. “All schools are not created in Lenoir County,” he said. “It’s a shame that physical plant arent up to par at some of the schools.” Redistrict or not, children need to go to safe schools.
Public comments have concluded. The school board will decide soon about the study. Discussion continues about financial report, school construction updates and policy updates.
School board member Garland Nobles Jr. is not present for tonight’s meeting. Check back soon for the board’s discussion and vote on the study.
90 people have turned out tonight for the meeting. Officials had planned to hold the meeting at Northwest Elementary School if necessary. Officials decided to hold the meeting as scheduled at the central office.
It’s now 7:50 p.m. - the school board is discussing how and when the adminstration is required to turn over requested public information to a board member. During the Feb. board meeting, a school board member - Billy Davis - requested Cline to turn over public information within five days. Several school board members including Keith Seaforth said the request was not realistic because of the amount of documents requested to be produced in just five days.
“Been on this board for six years never been an issue,” school board chairman said. “We will rely on superintendent on what is reasonable.”
“Obvious there is some disharmony on this board,” Seaforth said. “So if they want information give superintendent time to get information.”
School board member Joey Bryan doesn’t feel the same as Seaforth and the chairman. He said board shouldnt be rigid in its policies to provide information to members.
8 p.m. - School board will soon begin discussion on redistricting study.
Cline is introducing consultant Jeff Tsai to the school board. Tsai will update the board members on the redistricting study’s work. Several slides are being presented.
“This project is not easy,” Tsai said.
8:10 p.m. - School district divided into 134 planning zones, Tsai said. the zones are based on where students live. Using mathematical scenarios to develop attendance lines based on student’s travel distance to schools and satisfy capacity constraints of schools.
8:15 p.m. - Tsai is now discussing committee’s desires on capacities for elementary schools to average 86 percent, middle school capacities between 74 to 94 percent and high schools from 71 to 81 percent utlization rates.
Committee members examined several maps to see where to draw lines and offered revisions for Tsai to work on.
Moseley is now addressing the school board. “It’s important process for the students of this county,” he said. “I stand ready to continue this effort.”
Met with citizens on both sides of issue it has strengthened the process, Moseley said. “There has been some confusion across the county on (the redistricting study,” he said. “We have not formed any recommendations.”
“it’s been a controversial issue,” Moseley said. “I don’t want to see this issue tear this county apart. It’s important to reach win-win solutions.”
8:30 p.m. - Moseley continues to speak. He said before committing to more work he wants to make sure school board is behind the effort.
Rita Hodges is now speaking, she is a school board member. I wonder if we need to look at closing another elementary school that would save money. The space is available at other schools to absorb student populations.
She said former school board members have approached her about 1992 merger. “It was a very troubled time,” Hodges said. “Order issued by judge that boundaries not change (then)”
School board member Keith Seaforth is now talking about merger. Said he doesn’t remember if stipulations were made that lines not be redrawn during merger.
8:40 p.m. - Seaforth said he has read most about how lines could be redrawn for the high schools. School board member Bruce Hill is asking Tsai about utlization figures and is asking about the merger.
”Since I have been on this board there has been discussion on attendance lines, ” Hill said. “It needs to be on the table for discussion.”
School board attorney said redistricting issue came up at least nearly five years ago when a school was closed.
The school board chairman is now speaking. There is no legal prohibition from county looking at lines, the chairman said.
“I voted against this study being done, ” the chairman said. “We are opening three new schools. Redistricting is an unpleasant subject. There are times we have to look at it.”
The chairman said the problem I see is we don’t have capacity issues at middle and high schools. Sitting in on the meetings see where it is going. All the committee is doing is shifting capacity numbers on high school level doesn’t make sense to me.
Growth may dictate we do this again with Spirit and Sanderson. The chairman said there is no reason to do study any futher.
“I would like to see issue tabled,” chairman said.
8:50 p.m. - Bruce Hill asking why students are traveling far distances to schools while bypassing schools closer to their home. The chairman said the study will not change the proximity issue.
Hill said he stayed away from committee meetings not to form an opinion and wants to stay unbias about the plan.
“I did not create this monster,” Moseley said. “If I am going to take shots, I want to at least know the board of education is behind the study.”
Moseley said he thinks the study needs to be continued.
“To stop the process at this point I think we are losing out on an opportunity,” Moseley said.
Seaforth said since Nobles not at meeting I don’t think this is the time to vote on this. Seaforth said he wasn’t aware issue was on the agenda for tonight and said he just found out about it on Friday night.
9 p.m. - Cline said if the school board doesn’t vote will throw timetable off. Will not be ready for next year.
“We just need direction from the board,” Cline said. “We need that direction tonight.”
School board member Joey Bryan said elementary schools need to have something done. He said there are flaws in the current lines for elementary schools.
Redrawing lines for elementary schools would save $330,000 on transporation costs annually, Bryan said.
Hodges made a motion for the committee just to look at redrawing the elementary school lines, seconded by Billy Davis.
Hill said the committee should look at the whole picture, including middle and high schools.
9:10 p.m. - motion carried unaimously by the school board to continue to look at redistricting elementary schools only.
Seaforth made a motion for the committee to look at continuing to look at middle and high schools. the motion was not passed with a 3-3 tie.
Seaforth, Hill and Bryan voted to continue evaluating the middle and high schools while Hodges, Davis and Fillippeli voted against looking at the middle and high schools.
“The charge now is to bring us something on the elementary schools, ” school board chairman Fillipeli said.
The school board attorney said the board members could revisit the issue about middle and high schools at a future meeting.
The discussion on the redistricting study is now over. To see more about this story read the Tuesday edition of The Free Press.
Bye for now, good night. Chris Lavender
Okay, so if I am reading this correctly, after all of the debate on the middle and high school situations all of a sudden it’s just the elementary schools that are being redrawn? With possible the high/middle schools being done later? I thought the major issues were at the mid/high school levels. What am I missing with this?
And when does the PUBLIC get to see what the redrawn lines will be, or at least what is on the table?
Can someone who made it to the meeting possibly clarify any of this?
Apparently the school board and redistricting committee does not give a crap about what they do to childrens’ lives. Redistricting is not the answer,if you will make the kids go to the corrrect school they are suppose to your problems will be solved. As far as your new schools, if all of you smart people will look at the numbers before you build a new school somewhere like Northwest, you will know capacity will be low. Use some common sense, I’m sorry I forgot who I was talking to. You are taking little kids that are just starting to get used to school and turn their lives upside down,you are some of the cold heartest people ever. Before my child goes to a CITY school he/she will either be home schooled or go to a private school. I think alot of other parents will feel the same way. The board is wasting too much of the tax payers money and if they wish for this to continue I think they need to pay the expenses out of their own pocket. Once again the schools will be fine if you enforce the current lines for the city and county schools. LEAVE OUR KIDS ALONE and screw up your own lives instead of our children.
My child asks every morning on the way to Southwood if he is going to have to go to Southeast. My answer is Baby do not worry about it; Mommy will take care of it. I hope one day every person on the board of education has to answer a question either by your child or grandchild knowing in your heart that you may have to break their heart. I do not understand why we can not just move on with our schools the way they are. We are all under capacity eventhough all are not at same level of education; that is not our childrens’ fault. The Board of Education is talking about sending our children to a low performing school from a higher performing school. My child just start Kindergarten this year and enjoys schools after 1st three weeks of crying and once again you want to turn his life upside down. I hope none of you would like to be voted back on the board especially Mr. Billy Davis; this is a man who stated he would not back any redistricting and look who second the redrawing of the elementary lines. I really thought if there was no one else we could trust it was him; guess I was wrong. Please help us stop this. If anyone has any suggestions, please feel free to post them. PLEASE DO NOT LET THE BOARD OF EDUCATION PLUS A SELECT FEW RUIN OUR KIDS LIVES!! THEY HAVE TO BE STOPPED!!!
To response to Melissa I was at the meeting on the front row. Yes they are continuing on with the elementary schools, and mid/high later, because the way it was said it would just be the easiest to do first so they could go ahead and get it done..then after they brought those plans back to the board they could bring middle and high schools back whenever they felt. So pretty much mid/high schools are okay for at least next year..
The meeting was pretty good. I guess you could say it “bough us middle/high students some time”. With the outcome I’m pretty happy now don’t get me wrong it could have been better.. but it is better than nothing. Just because were not going to be affected right now, we will be at some point so don’t just forget about it. It is still there and alive. Continue to talk to people and let your voice be heard.
-Thanks!!
Jordan,
Thanks for your response. I’m glad you were bought a little time, but unfortunately, it seems elementary kids will be in danger of a transfer. I really hope more is done to protect EVERYONE’S interests in this. Did they happen to mention if there are any maps available for viewing yet?
I was in attendance at the Board of Education meeting last night. Every scenerio that was put up on the screen showed Southwood would be the feeder school to Rochelle. Savannah was shown as still being the feeder school to Kinston High. Now with reference to the new elementary lines who knows where the majority of the Southwood students will be next year. Northeast Elementary will be underpopulated as it stands now, so looking at the big picture where do you think they will glean the numbers from? I really feel they will get those numbers from Southwood and some from Contentnea. They are saying they won’t split the children but it certainly looks like they will be doing just that. Also, if you were not in attendance last night then you the folks from Joey Bryan’s District did not see him vote entirely against all of you from Southwood. It was very transparent who’s side he is on and it is not the side of your children’s best interest. You need to stick together and rally for what you feel is in the best interest of your child and your family. If you don’t rally together then you are giving them complete permission to do whatever they want to do to you and your child. Stand firm for what you want and for what you beleive in. We on the North side are basically in the same boat with you. We all need to stand together on this issue and rally for what we need and want for our children and our schools.
Melissa, you are very welcome and at the same time I am so sorry. I really just wish they would leave EVERYONE alone, but Dondi is right. We have to stick together and still be calling your representatives. Let them know how you feel and try to help them understand where you are coming from, just make sure you are nice about it and have tact. We have to be respectful and remember they don’t have to be listening to us.
Also on the topic of elementary schools, Ms. Rita Hodges made the comment that Southeast was in very bad repair, and later mentioned possibly looking at closing another school so Northeast numbers would be up.
So in the long run wouldn’t really have to mess with so many other students and schools.
Also they showed maps last night at the meeting but it was in a slide show and was the back ground of some off the slides so you couldn’t read them very well, but the committee said they would be able to bring some of the recommendations for elm. schools to the next meeting so hopefully those will be readable.
Hopefully that answers your question on maps. I really wish and hope for you that you will not be affected, well at least not have to switch schools. I know that is hard.
The only thing the School Borad has done is ask the committe to look at the elementary school in the city limits. They are not looking at any of the county schools. I feel that Mr. Davis is still on the side of the people that put him on the school board. I’ve talked with Mr. Davis several times and his views have not changed. We do all need to come together and have our own committe. We all put these people on the board and we have the power to take them off. The parents in the Southwood district need to thank real hard when they go to vote in 2010.
Dondi Smith,
Thanks for that info.
This vote was only a study not to redistrict!! The real vote will come at the next board meeting and those people that think it will only effrect the city may be surprised!!! How about the folks that live around Deep Run that live in the Pink Hill district that attend Moss Hill! Do you think that will continue if the new elementary lines are drawn!!!
Mr. Howard;
I totally agree with you. The people in the Pink Hill, Deep Run area really need to find out who is representing them and make those calls. Don’t forget the at large members (Bruce Hill and Billy Davis) need to be contacted as well as Joey Bryan. If you were at the meeting Mr. Bryan really did the Southern end of the county folks no justice by the way he voted. I hope we can all band together and fight for what is right for all of the children of Lenoir County. There is a handful of people who don’t look at the students but look at hidden agendas and personal agendas as well. Then there are those who are the puppets. We all need to be for the students and what is best for our familes.
I just wanted to clarify a misquote from the other night- when I spoke I stated the schools in the county were UNEQUAL in terms of the programs they offer and the quality of education they provide. When my wife and I moved to this county we were careful to only look at homes in certain parts of the county due to the school districts.
The school board has way bigger problems to address, and Mr. Moseley alluded to this at the Southwood Church meeting last month. The schools are too disparate in the quality of education they offer and the safety they can provide. These problems have to be addressed before redistricting can be considered. Who in their right mind is going to take their child out of a well performing school and bus them to a city school that has not met it’s progress goal in four years??
Mr. Hodges;
Have you notified the members of the Board of Education with your clarification? Because with the way things are going and have been going with the redistricting they all need to hear or see your clarification on what you said the other night. I hope we can all get this to a point where they will listen to our side of the matter and realize the gravity of the situation before moving forward with any redistricting, elementary or otherwise!!